BackTable / Urology / Podcast / Episode #112
Preliminary Complementary Data for Pairing mpMRI and the ExoDx Prostate Test
with Dr. David Albala
This week on BackTable Urology, Dr. David Albala, chief of urology at Crouse Hospital, and Dr. Jose Silva discuss the benefits and integration of biomarkers in prostate cancer diagnosis.
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Podcast Contributors
Dr. David Albala
Dr. David Albala is the chief of urology at Crouse Hospital in Syracuse, New York.
Dr. Jose Silva
Dr. Jose Silva is a board certified urologist practicing in Central Florida.
Synopsis
First, Dr. Albala explains the history of PSA testing, which was the first test to screen patients for prostate cancer. He explains that in the past, positive PSA testing (>4 ng/mL) and digital rectal exams (DRE) could lead urologists to the decision to biopsy the prostate. He notes the importance of taking into account clinical risk factors, like age, family history, race, genetic markers like BRCA1/2. PSA cutoffs should also follow age-specific considerations, and PSA is not a specific test for cancer as some patients with biopsy proven prostate cancer can have normal PSA levels. Current USPSTF guidelines recommend PSA screening at age 45 in patients with risk factors (African American, positive family history, etc.) and at age 55 in patients without risk factors, but this should be subject to shared decision making.
Then, the urologists discuss the use of urine and blood biomarkers to determine whether a biopsy is necessary, as bleeding and infection are possible complications. Dr. Albala’s prostate cancer workup involves the following: a PSA level first, a repeat PSA level if the first one was between 2-10 ng/mL in a patient older than 50, and then the ExoDx exosome test. If the exosome test returns with a value greater than 15.6, he will perform an MRI fusion prostate biopsy. If the exosome test is less than 15.6, he will repeat the test in 6 months. He notes that benefits of the urine exosome test include affordability and reduction in the need for DREs and biopsies in patients without cancer.
Finally, Dr. Albala discusses future possibilities of layering biomarker tests and encourages early screening for prostate cancer. He ends the episode by emphasizing prostate cancer treatment should be personalized because many cases of prostate cancer are indolent and may be overtreated.
Resources
ExoDx Prostate Test:
https://www.exosomedx.com/
Transcript Preview
[Dr. David Albala]:
To me, the takeaway message is be smart, get screened. If you're at a high-risk group or you have a family history, get screened at age 40 to 45. If you don't, if you're not a high-risk group, you can get screened at age 55, but the bottom line is get screened. What you don't know is ignorance is not bliss. If you have prostate cancer and you're diagnosed with it, you don't necessarily need to get treated. Almost 50% of patients that are diagnosed today don't need to get treated. We can follow them. That's very unique to prostate cancer.
I can't think of a single disease state in which you follow these. Early on, many patients were essentially bewildered that you would come in and I'd say, Dr. Silva, we know we've diagnosed prostate cancer, but we're not going to do anything. People didn't understand that concept. They now understand it. The takeaway message is have a discussion with your physician, shared decision-making. Each case is individualized. We're getting more towards personalized medicine. All of these tests in some ways are ways of personalizing your medical care.
One shoe doesn't fit everybody anymore. I think get screened. If you need to get a biopsy, there are tests, the exosome is a perfect example, that you may prevent 30% of patients from getting a biopsy that's not necessary. It's been a great profession. I've had an amazing career. I've seen so many great changes. I wish I could do it all over again, but I'm getting old and the younger guys are coming through. They're fast out with the robot.
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